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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I admire your loyalty, Anthony.
Although I personally see the world through orange and blue tinted glasses….even
I can’t believe in this team anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Todd S.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Hooker, Anthony<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 15, 2009
2:56 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] FW: Juice
benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I just want to see
them flying around, having fun and playing hard. I think we can win 5
more games if we just do that and give the ball to a running back 20+ times a
game. Leshoure makes plays every time they give him a chance.
We’ve played the best teams on our schedule (except cincy) so
maybe we can put together a little win streak and get to a minor bowl
game. I’m going to keep believing. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Todd Sweet<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 15, 2009
2:48 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] FW: Juice
benched<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This coaching staff is abysmal. At
the very least, even a bad team should play hard and give 100% effort under a
good coach. This team looks confused and uninspired. Mark my words,
if we lose at Indiana and Purdue to get our 6<sup>th</sup> loss, I think this
team will go downhill rapidly. I see both of those games as toss ups
right now at best.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If Zook has a losing season, he should be
fired. That will be 4 losing seasons in 5 years (with the one looking
like a total fluke now). At the very least we should be showing
improvement but look nearly as bad as when Zook got here (except we’re
faster). Unfortunately, I think 4 wins will be enough for Zook to keep
his job. Anything less than that will be thin ice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>TS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Mingee<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 15, 2009
1:22 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] FW: Juice
benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Oh yeah, I hear you, but other than simply giving up, what
can you do? All of hte timeframes below except for Valek were long enough
to allow time for the coach to bring in all their own players and establish
their system, and yet they still weren't getting it done. It's really
tough in college where you don't have the mechanisms in place to ensure parity
like in the pros (there are scholarship limits, but they're high enough that
the top programs still stockpile most of the best players and continue to leave
the "have nots" like us out in the cold).<br>
<br>
Honestly, I really don't know what the answer is. I don't expect a
conference title and Rose Bowl every year, or even every 3-4 years. I
expect some sort of bowl most years, and expect to seldom finish out of the top
half of the conference. With the recruits Zook has had, we should be
there, but we're not. If he can assemble a staff around himself that can
do the above, fantastic. But if he can't or won't, I don't see any choice
but to start over (again).<br>
<br>
Sadly, we can't all have Joe Paterno :-).<br>
<br>
I appreciate the perspectives from everyone. I was somewhat glad to hear
the O-line has been off this year, because it at least offers some glimmer of
hope that the skill players really can be as good as advertised, assuming the
O-line can be improved.<br>
<br>
-- robert<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Larry Roller
<larrol@hotmail.com><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName> <oskee@heins.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 12, 2009
10:14:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] FW: Juice
benched<br>
</span></font><br>
But we've tried that housecleaning thing before. Eight times in my tenure
starting with Elliott being fired after seven years (and the slush fund)
with a winning percentage of .477. Valek came in for four years and was
fired after winning % of .2. Blackman came in for six years and was
fired after a winning % of .439. Moeller came in and was fired after
three years with a winning % of .227. White came in for eight years
and was fired after a winning % of .533 and various run-ins with the
NCAA. Mackovic came in and left after three years and a winning % of
.663. Tepper came in and was fired after six years and a
winning % of .446. Turner came in and was
fired after eight years and a winning % of .38. Zook came
in and has a winning % of .358 in his fifth year. It's a recurring
nightmare. Forty years and eight coaches later and we are no better
off.<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009
07:45:46 -0700<br>
From: mingee@swbell.net<br>
To: oskee@heins.net<br>
Subject: Re: [Oskee] FW: Juice benched<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Well, so much for that. I went against what I said I'd
always do this weekend as far as avoiding the score and watching anyway.
We were at Six Flags all day Saturday, and I wouldn't have had time to watch
the game yesterday because of other commitments, so I actually followed the
score on my phone while we were there, and decided it really wasn't worth
staying up late Saturday just to watch us lose again. Sounds like Eddie
was pretty awful -- no idea how much of that was the MSU defense and how much
was him.<br>
<br>
I'm sure I'll continue to watch when I can, but it's clear there's no more hope
to be had for this season. And honestly, what reason is there to have any
optimism at all going into next season? I said the same thing after last
season, when clearly we should have been much better than we were, and as much
as I had hoped I was wrong, sadly I was not. This is not a rhetorical
question, I'm really hoping someone has an answer -- short of a major coaching
staff overhaul, which seems very unlikely in light of Zook getting extended in
the offseason, is there any hope at all we're not in for another humiliating
season next year? Can this train wreck really be fixed without a
housecleaning from top to bottom?<br>
<br>
Someone in this thread said we're not nearly as bad as we were in the Tepper
years, and I agree, but from a purely pragmatic point of view, is it really any
better to lose all of your games against even marginally competitive teams by
an average margin of say 7-10 points instead of 21-28 points? They all still
count the same in the final record.<br>
<br>
-- robert<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
"Arbuckle, Jeanne" <jarbuck@ilstu.edu><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName> <oskee@heins.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 8, 2009
3:32:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Oskee] FW: Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>As opposed to really
poor planning for <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Michigan</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> – I’m
going to the game. I hope Eddie can give the offense an excitement we
haven’t seen yet against a decent team.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Mingee<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 08, 2009
8:55 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Well, that was good planning -- you saw the part where they
didn't look hopelessly overmatched...<br>
<br>
-- robert</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
"Arbuckle, Jeanne" <jarbuck@ilstu.edu><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName> <oskee@heins.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 7, 2009
12:14:04 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>For the first time
in more than 23 years, I actually planned (and it was my choice) to be somewhere
else during the 2nd half. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chad Kahl<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 07, 2009
9:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have chosen to detach
myself emotionally from the football team. I record the game on the DVR
and check on the results before hitting play. No more allowing a poor
performance to ruin the rest of my day/weekend/week...<br>
<br>
I hate being a fair weather fan, but I can't take it anymore. I reserve
my blind allegiance for the Illini mens basketball team and the St. Louis
Cardinals.<br>
<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chad</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Arbuckle, Jeanne <<a
href="mailto:jarbuck@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">jarbuck@ilstu.edu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I appreciate the conversation here, as
well. If you put it in my mailbox, I will take time to read it, but I
don’t have time to go looking for it! </span></font><br>
<font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><br>
<font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I,
too, am starting to question Zook’s ability as a head coach. I wanted it
to work out because on paper, he recruits great players. Better than
we’ve ever had before. But now I’m starting to question whether
they really are better than we’ve ever had. Maybe we are getting them
because they have flaws we don’t realize at the time.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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