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But we've tried that housecleaning thing before. Eight times in my tenure starting with Elliott being fired after seven years (and the slush fund) with a winning percentage of .477. Valek came in for four years and was fired after winning % of .2. Blackman came in for six years and was fired after a winning % of .439. Moeller came in and was fired after three years with a winning % of .227. White came in for eight years and was fired after a winning % of .533 and various run-ins with the NCAA. Mackovic came in and left after three years and a winning % of .663. Tepper came in and was fired after six years and a winning % of .446. Turner came in and was fired after eight years and a winning % of .38. Zook came in and has a winning % of .358 in his fifth year. It's a recurring nightmare. Forty years and eight coaches later and we are no better off.<BR> <BR>
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:45:46 -0700<BR>From: mingee@swbell.net<BR>To: oskee@heins.net<BR>Subject: Re: [Oskee] FW: Juice benched<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Well, so much for that. I went against what I said I'd always do this weekend as far as avoiding the score and watching anyway. We were at Six Flags all day Saturday, and I wouldn't have had time to watch the game yesterday because of other commitments, so I actually followed the score on my phone while we were there, and decided it really wasn't worth staying up late Saturday just to watch us lose again. Sounds like Eddie was pretty awful -- no idea how much of that was the MSU defense and how much was him.<BR><BR>I'm sure I'll continue to watch when I can, but it's clear there's no more hope to be had for this season. And honestly, what reason is there to have any optimism at all going into next season? I said the same thing after last season, when clearly we should have been much better than we were, and as much as I had hoped I was wrong, sadly I was not. This is not a rhetorical question, I'm really hoping someone has an answer -- short of a major coaching staff overhaul, which seems very unlikely in light of Zook getting extended in the offseason, is there any hope at all we're not in for another humiliating season next year? Can this train wreck really be fixed without a housecleaning from top to bottom?<BR><BR>Someone in this thread said we're not nearly as bad as we were in the Tepper years, and I agree, but from a purely pragmatic point of view, is it really any better to lose all of your games against even marginally competitive teams by an average margin of say 7-10 points instead of 21-28 points? They all still count the same in the final record.<BR><BR>-- robert<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "Arbuckle, Jeanne" <jarbuck@ilstu.edu><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List <oskee@heins.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:32:45 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Oskee] FW: Juice benched<BR></FONT><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As opposed to really poor planning for Michigan State – I’m going to the game. I hope Eddie can give the offense an excitement we haven’t seen yet against a decent team.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert Mingee<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Well, that was good planning -- you saw the part where they didn't look hopelessly overmatched...<BR><BR>-- robert</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">For the first time in more than 23 years, I actually planned (and it was my choice) to be somewhere else during the 2nd half. </SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chad Kahl<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:37 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I have chosen to detach myself emotionally from the football team. I record the game on the DVR and check on the results before hitting play. No more allowing a poor performance to ruin the rest of my day/weekend/week...<BR><BR>I hate being a fair weather fan, but I can't take it anymore. I reserve my blind allegiance for the Illini mens basketball team and the St. Louis Cardinals.<BR><BR>Chad</P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Arbuckle, Jeanne <<A href="mailto:jarbuck@ilstu.edu" rel=nofollow>jarbuck@ilstu.edu</A>> wrote:</P>
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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I appreciate the conversation here, as well. If you put it in my mailbox, I will take time to read it, but I don’t have time to go looking for it! </SPAN><BR>
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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I, too, am starting to question Zook’s ability as a head coach. I wanted it to work out because on paper, he recruits great players. Better than we’ve ever had before. But now I’m starting to question whether they really are better than we’ve ever had. Maybe we are getting them because they have flaws we don’t realize at the time.</SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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