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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you’d find a lot of people that
agree that it should have happened long ago, JL. Honestly, I think that if
Zook had his way, Juice would still be the starter. He’s that locked in on
Juice. If there could have been a fly on the wall, I would bet that Schulz had
a lot to do with this change and Zook went along reluctantly. I felt like
there were plenty of games at the end of last year that warranted the possibility
of a change, but it never happened.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think we all agree that the team has a
lot more problems than just QB. That’s just one that seems like a change may
help. You’re right about the defensive problems, I’m right about the stupid
penalties, others are right about the O-line. Let’s face, there are just a lot
of deficiencies on this team. Some of them are talent limitations. Others,
though, boil down to coaching and player development. Juice may be the one falling
on the sword this week. But the rest of the problems aren’t going to disappear
and that puts this entire season in a dire mode. And at years end, that can
only fall on the coaching staff.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Livengood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 05, 2009
9:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Right, but supposedly Zook left Juice in against PSU so he
could "play through it", i.e. find his game on the field. So he does
that, even though some of it's in garbage time, and NOW you bench him? Doesn't
make any sense to me. If you're going to make that change, should have been
done long ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Todd
Sweet <trsweet@ilstu.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName> <oskee@heins.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 5, 2009
9:52:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well, that’s true, he did have a few good
passes downfield (which I agree is one of his strengths). But without
putting points on the board, those yards are almost as meaningless as the 2 TDs
were at the end of the game.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Which brings me to another issue this team
clearly has…and this has nothing to do with Juice. But the stupid
penalties are driving me nuts. And to me, that gets back to the coaching
issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ON a sidenote…it’s nice to see some
chatter on the list again!!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> oskee-bounces@heins.net
[mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of
</span></b>John Livengood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 05, 2009
8:39 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Actually, more than half of Juice's yardage came in the
first half, and much of that in the 2nd quarter when they actually had him
throwing the ball down field! I agree his TDs were meaningless, but disagree
that he didn't play well. When he was given opportunities to utilize his
abilities, he did well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Todd Sweet
<trsweet@ilstu.edu><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName> <oskee@heins.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 5, 2009
9:13:19 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with you, JL, that Eddie (like
Juice) shows flashes of greatness, and then makes stupid turnovers. I’m
not sure he’s the answer either. What I disagree with is you comment that
Juice had a somewhat good game. Many of his throws were behind the
receivers. And most of his production came in the 4<sup>th</sup>
quarter. If McGee had come and scored 2 tds late in that game, everyone
would have discounted them saying he got them during trash time. That’s
when Juice got his as well. PSU playing soft to run out the clock and
probably with 2<sup>nd</sup> and 3<sup>rd</sup> stringers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do agree that Juice has had to deal with
the toughest part of the schedule. Maybe it isn’t fair to pull him
now. But he doesn’t look like someone ready to confidently lead this
offense at this time, so maybe this will shake things up. All I know is
I’ve watched way too many football debacles since Macovic left town. It’s
embarrassing that a school with some very rich football history can’t at least
muster up a mid level bowl game every couple of years.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And let’s not forget who is responsible
for putting this brutal schedule together this season. Cincy may turn out
to be the best team we play all year. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Livengood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 05, 2009
7:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Fighting
Illini Sports Enthusiasts List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Also meant to add, I think the real problem has been not
using Juice's strengths, which are running the option and throwing more down
field. I realize teams are taking away the long passes by sitting back in deep
zones, but the option's been working yet we don't run it much. Run that until
they stop it, then see if the safeties might be vulnerable to some passes. But
to keep trying to make Juice into a ball control, short passing QB wasn't going
to work out.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Mingee <mingee@swbell.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> oskee@heins.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 5, 2009
5:31:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I'm sure you've all seen the story by now that Juice has
been benched (though curiously it is not reported on <a
href="http://fightingillini.com" target="_blank">fightingillini.com</a>).
Opinions? Personally, I don't see how you can possibly pin the losses on
him entirely, but as the team leader, he's ultimately responsible, and I can't
really blame Zook for wanting to shake things up. As with last year,
consistency continues to be his biggest problem -- he's either really on or
really off. I was really shocked to read how bad his stats are, though --
it didn't seem that bad from watching.<br>
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>From a purely pragmatic perspective, this season is over before it even
really started -- I don't see any way for this team to make a bowl. Yes,
they have faced tough competition, but it's not really going to get much
easier, and I just don't see any spark on this team. It's like they're
going through the motions. There just doesn't seem to be any hope of them
beating a team that's better than they are, because they are so lacking in
intangibles. The defense can be exciting at times, but it's so
inexperienced. And the offense continues to be so much less than the sum
of its parts, for whatever reason. So I guess there's really nothing much
to lose, except further demoralizing Juice, which really is regrettable.
He seems like a decent kid, and he's done some amazing work in his career, but
he's just not getting it done. If there's any hope for next year, it's
getting Eddie some solid experience in this offense.<br>
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Sigh. When does basketball season start again?<br>
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-- robert</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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