<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Right, but supposedly Zook left Juice in against PSU so he could "play through it", i.e. find his game on the field. So he does that, even though some of it's in garbage time, and NOW you bench him? Doesn't make any sense to me. If you're going to make that change, should have been done long ago.<br></div><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Todd Sweet <trsweet@ilstu.edu<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List <oskee@heins.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 5, 2009 9:52:26 PM<br><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Well, that’s true, he did have a few
good passes downfield (which I agree is one of his strengths). But without
putting points on the board, those yards are almost as meaningless as the 2 TDs
were at the end of the game.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Which brings me to another issue this team
clearly has…and this has nothing to do with Juice. But the stupid
penalties are driving me nuts. And to me, that gets back to the coaching
issues.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">ON a sidenote…it’s nice to see
some chatter on the list again!!!!</span></font></p>
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oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>John Livengood<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 05, 2009
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oskee] Juice benched</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Actually, more than half of Juice's yardage came in the
first half, and much of that in the 2nd quarter when they actually had him
throwing the ball down field! I agree his TDs were meaningless, but disagree
that he didn't play well. When he was given opportunities to utilize his
abilities, he did well.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Todd
Sweet <trsweet@ilstu.edu><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Fighting Illini Sports
Enthusiasts List <oskee@heins.net><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 5, 2009
9:13:19 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I agree with you, JL, that Eddie (like
Juice) shows flashes of greatness, and then makes stupid turnovers.
I’m not sure he’s the answer either. What I disagree with is
you comment that Juice had a somewhat good game. Many of his throws were
behind the receivers. And most of his production came in the 4<sup>th</sup>
quarter. If McGee had come and scored 2 tds late in that game, everyone
would have discounted them saying he got them during trash time.
That’s when Juice got his as well. PSU playing soft to run out the
clock and probably with 2<sup>nd</sup> and 3<sup>rd</sup> stringers.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I do agree that Juice has had to deal with
the toughest part of the schedule. Maybe it isn’t fair to pull him
now. But he doesn’t look like someone ready to confidently lead
this offense at this time, so maybe this will shake things up. All I know
is I’ve watched way too many football debacles since Macovic left
town. It’s embarrassing that a school with some very rich football
history can’t at least muster up a mid level bowl game every couple of years.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">And let’s not forget who is
responsible for putting this brutal schedule together this season. Cincy
may turn out to be the best team we play all year. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
oskee-bounces@heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces@heins.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>John Livengood<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 05, 2009
7:59 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Fighting Illini Sports
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Also meant to add, I think the real problem has been not
using Juice's strengths, which are running the option and throwing more down
field. I realize teams are taking away the long passes by sitting back in deep
zones, but the option's been working yet we don't run it much. Run that until
they stop it, then see if the safeties might be vulnerable to some passes. But
to keep trying to make Juice into a ball control, short passing QB wasn't going
to work out.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Robert
Mingee <mingee@swbell.net><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> oskee@heins.net<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 5, 2009
5:31:10 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I'm sure you've all seen the story by now that Juice has
been benched (though curiously it is not reported on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://fightingillini.com">fightingillini.com</a>).
Opinions? Personally, I don't see how you can possibly pin the losses on
him entirely, but as the team leader, he's ultimately responsible, and I can't
really blame Zook for wanting to shake things up. As with last year,
consistency continues to be his biggest problem -- he's either really on or
really off. I was really shocked to read how bad his stats are, though --
it didn't seem that bad from watching.<br>
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>From a purely pragmatic perspective, this season is over before it even
really started -- I don't see any way for this team to make a bowl. Yes,
they have faced tough competition, but it's not really going to get much
easier, and I just don't see any spark on this team. It's like they're
going through the motions. There just doesn't seem to be any hope of them
beating a team that's better than they are, because they are so lacking in
intangibles. The defense can be exciting at times, but it's so
inexperienced. And the offense continues to be so much less than the sum
of its parts, for whatever reason. So I guess there's really nothing much
to lose, except further demoralizing Juice, which really is regrettable.
He seems like a decent kid, and he's done some amazing work in his career, but
he's just not getting it done. If there's any hope for next year, it's
getting Eddie some solid experience in this offense.<br>
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Sigh. When does basketball season start again?<br>
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-- robert</span></font></p>
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