[Oskee] Juice benched

Thu Oct 8 10:06:16 EDT 2009

I'm somewhere in the middle.  I still watch without checking the results, because I like not knowing the outcome with 100% certainty (though as noted before it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% with no actual knowledge of the results), but it really doesn't leave me upset at all anymore.  Completely unlike how pissed I was when the Bears dropped the opener in Lambeau...

-- robert

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From: Ryan Fehrenbacher <rlf1975 at yahoo.com>
To: Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List <oskee at heins.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:42:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched

I haven't been able to do that myself completely. It doesn't ruin my weekend or the week, but it definitely f&*#s up my saturday afternoon and evening. 

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From: Chad Kahl <cmkahl at gmail.com>
To: Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List <oskee at heins.net>
Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 9:37:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched

I have chosen to detach myself emotionally from the football team.  I record the game on the DVR and check on the results before hitting play.  No more allowing a poor performance to ruin the rest of my day/weekend/week...

I hate being a fair weather fan, but I can't take it anymore.  I reserve my blind allegiance for the Illini mens basketball team and the St. Louis Cardinals.

Chad

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Arbuckle, Jeanne <jarbuck at ilstu.edu> wrote:

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>I appreciate the conversation here, as well. If you put it in my
>mailbox, I will take time to read it, but I don’t have time to go looking for
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>I, too, am starting to question Zook’s ability as a head coach.
>I wanted it to work out because on paper, he recruits great players. Better
>than we’ve ever had before. But now I’m starting to question whether they
>really are better than we’ve ever had. Maybe we are getting them because they
>have flaws we don’t realize at the time.
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>From:oskee-bounces at heins.net >[mailto:oskee-bounces at heins.net] On Behalf Of Robert Mingee
>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:08 PM
>To: Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List
>Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched
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>Man,
>as much as I hate to admit it, I'm really beginning to wonder if in fact that's
>not the real problem (that Zook has no idea what he's doing).  As all Illini
>fans are painfully aware after the Turner era, some coaches - no matter how
>nice they are or how good they are at strategy or how hard they work - are
>simply not head coaching material.  Because of their ability in a
>particular area, they end up getting promoted beyond their level of competence
>(the Peter Principle?).  I just don't get a sense of confidence when I
>hear Ron speak.  I feel like he's just trying things scattershot to see
>what might work rather than having a plan.  If the players see that as
>well, I can't imagine it does much to inspire confidence in them either. 
>He's clearly a tireless worker, and seems to know a lot about defense. 
>But that doesn't make him a great leader.
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>>All that said, Todd has made some excellent points about Juice.  Every
>game I've watched has been on Tivo, scanning through huddles and commercials,
>just trying to watch in whatever time I have, which usually leads to me being
>less than observant, so I've missed a lot of that.  Also as much as I hate
>it, I'm no longer emotionally invested in this team.  I watch all the
>games I can get on TV, which is most all of them thanks to the Big Ten Network,
>and probably always will, but I don't find myself cheering the good plays and
>bemoaning the bad plays like I do when I watch the Bears.  I just don't
>even care enough to analyze what they're doing anymore.  I've become
>resigned to the fact that if we're playing a better team, we will lose, and if
>we're playing a worse team, we've got a decent but not certain chance to win,
>and it just takes all the fun out of it for me.
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>>But yeah, it's great to have some discussion going on here again -- keep it
>coming!  I just don't have time to follow high-volume online forums, so
>this is my place for talking over the Illini, aside from the very occasional
>trip out to join the local Illini club watching a game.
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>From:John Livengood <jdlive at yahoo.com>
>To: Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List <oskee at heins.net>
>Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:00:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched
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>I said, why not make the change earlier in that case? Maybe Coach Zook doesn't
>have any idea what he's doing and is simply grasping at straws. Certainly he's
>got to realize he needs to get things turned around soon or he's going to be
>feeling the heat with only 1 winning season at Illinois in 5 years.
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>>Also, I don't think Juice is the reason we rank dead last in the Big Ten in
>rush defense, 10th in pass defense, last in total defense and last in scoring
>defense.
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>From:Michael Korst <illinir1 at comcast.net>
>To: Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List <oskee at heins.net>
>Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 10:48:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched
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>Perhaps Coach
>Zook watched the game film and saw the terrible performance that we
>all saw live.  In fact, maybe he watched Juice's game film from his
>last 5 games.....all losses.
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>>From: "John Livengood" <jdlive at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List" <oskee at heins.net>
>>Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:30:02 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>>Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched
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>>Right, but supposedly Zook left Juice in against PSU so he could "play
>through it", i.e. find his game on the field. So he does that, even though
>some of it's in garbage time, and NOW you bench him? Doesn't make any sense to
>me. If you're going to make that change, should have been done long ago.
>________________________________ From: Todd Sweet Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009
>9:52:26 PM Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched Well, that’s true, he did have a
>few good passes downfield (which I agree is one of his strengths). But without
>putting points on the board, those yards are almost as meaningless as the 2 TDs
>were at the end of the game. Which brings me to another issue this team clearly
>has…and this has nothing to do with Juice. But the stupid penalties are driving
>me nuts. And to me, that gets back to the coaching issues. TS ON a
>sidenote…it’s nice to see some chatter on the list again!!!!
>________________________________ From:oskee-bounces at heins.net [mailto:oskee-bounces at heins.net]
>On Behalf Of John Livengood Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:39 PM To: Fighting
>Illini Sports Enthusiasts List Subject: Re: [Oskee] Juice benched Actually,
>more than half of Juice's yardage came in the first half, and much of that in the
>2nd quarter when they actually had him throwing the ball down field! I agree
>his TDs were meaningless, but disagree that he didn't play well. When he was
>given opportunities to utilize his abilities, he did well.
>________________________________ From:Todd Sweet To: Fighting Illini Sports
>Enthusiasts List Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:13:19 PM Subject: Re: [Oskee]
>Juice benched I agree with you, JL, that Eddie (like Juice) shows flashes of
>greatness, and then makes stupid turnovers. I’m not sure he’s the answer
>either. What I disagree with is you comment that Juice had a somewhat good
>game. Many of his throws were behind the receivers. And most of his production
>came in the 4th quarter. If McGee had come and scored 2 tds late in that game,
>everyone would have discounted them saying he got them during trash time.
>That’s when Juice got his as well. PSU playing soft to run out the clock and
>probably with 2nd and 3rd stringers. I do agree that Juice has had to deal with
>the toughest part of the schedule. Maybe it isn’t fair to pull him now. But he
>doesn’t look like someone ready to confidently lead this offense at this time,
>so maybe this will shake things up. All I know is I’ve watched way too many
>football debacles since Macovic left town. It’s embarrassing that a school with
>some very rich football history can’t at least muster up a mid level bowl game
>every couple of years. And let’s not forget who is responsible for putting this
>brutal schedule together this season. Cincy may turn out to be the best team we
>play all year. TS ________________________________ From:oskee-bounces at heins.net >[mailto:oskee-bounces at heins.net] On Behalf Of John Livengood Sent: Monday,
>October 05, 2009 7:59 PM To: Fighting Illini Sports Enthusiasts List Subject:
>Re: [Oskee] Juice benched Also meant to add, I think the real problem has been
>not using Juice's strengths, which are running the option and throwing more
>down field. I realize teams are taking away the long passes by sitting back in
>deep zones, but the option's been working yet we don't run it much. Run that
>until they stop it, then see if the safeties might be vulnerable to some
>passes. But to keep trying to make Juice into a ball control, short passing QB
>wasn't going to work out. ________________________________ From:Robert Mingee
>To: oskee at heins.net Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 5:31:10 PM Subject: [Oskee]
>Juice benched I'm sure you've all seen the story by now that Juice has been
>benched (though curiously it is not reported on fightingillini.com).
>Opinions? Personally, I don't see how you can possibly pin the losses on him
>entirely, but as the team leader, he's ultimately responsible, and I can't
>really blame Zook for wanting to shake things up. As with last year, consistency
>continues to be his biggest problem -- he's either really on or really off. I
>was really shocked to read how bad his stats are, though -- it didn't seem that
>bad from watching. >From a purely pragmatic perspective, this season is over
>before it even really started -- I don't see any way for this team to make a
>bowl. Yes, they have faced tough competition, but it's not really going to get
>much easier, and I just don't see any spark on this team. It's like they're
>going through the motions. There just doesn't seem to be any hope of them
>beating a team that's better than they are, because they are so lacking in
>intangibles. The defense can be exciting at times, but it's so inexperienced.
>And the offense continues to be so much less than the sum of its parts, for
>whatever reason. So I guess there's really nothing much to lose, except further
>demoralizing Juice, which really is regrettable. He seems like a decent kid,
>and he's done some amazing work in his career, but he's just not getting it
>done. If there's any hope for next year, it's getting Eddie some solid
>experience in this offense. Sigh. When does basketball season start again? --
>robert 
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